Why Detox is Important and How to Do It with Josh Macin

Speaker 2 (00:00:17):
Logan, Christopher. Hello, and welcome. Doing something slightly different for this interview. My friend, Josh Mason of the detox dudes is here with me today. But first Josh has an amazing story, a health transformation, a night and day difference, health transformation, very powerful story. And he's created a amazing video that shares this story in this podcast here, I'm going to pull the audio from this video, but I do recommend you go actually watch the video itself. You can go to health sovereign.com/forty that's four as the Euro, in order to find the video embedded there, or you can also find it at Josh's site, the detox dudes.com. We're going to start with this story. You're going to hear what Josh went through, how he got to where he is today, and then we'll be diving into the interview portion. As you might get from the name, the detox dudes, we're talking about detox, and that's what this story is largely about. We touch on some other subjects, but the more I've gotten into health, where I'm at right now is a strong, strong recognition. That detox is so important and it's under understood. It's under utilized in our society today, and there's so many great things we can do to really support this. The truth is you can not have health sovereignty. If you don't understand detox, if your body is not detoxing well, it's that important. So let's dive in here's Joshua's story.

Speaker 1 (00:01:56):
Imagine that you're a child and it's a cold, wet, rainy day in an empty theme park, completely empty. And your parents and your family abandoned you. And there's no way out of the theme park. You're locked in that theme park. That's literally what I felt like every single day. I was a pretty normal kid, normal normal dude. You know, I was living in the lower East side of Manhattan. I was 23 years old when it all started. And I was pretty successful in the conventional reality and what people consider a success. I was a jujitsu world champion. I had a cool girlfriend. I was living in a expensive apartment in New York city and working cool corporate jobs. And basically I got completely, completely devastatingly ill. You're just living your normally. And then one day what? I'll never forget. I was in my dad's office.

Speaker 1 (00:03:04):
He owns a window in glass company and I was like, I was putting butyl in an insulated unit. Beautiful is like this liquid rubber, basically that you put in between a unit and I was shooting the butyl and all of a sudden it was like, I was like disassociated from my body and like all, all that I once knew or all that I thought I knew disappeared in those moments, it was like, it was like a drug. Like I was on drugs. You know, the only way I could describe it as like a bad weed trip that I had once had times 10 without take without smoking weed. So the fact that I didn't ingest any chemicals was like, wow, I'm going fucking thick. I'm going crazy. And that led into, and, and that led into that led into these hand. What happened next was just, I was just getting tormenting thoughts.

Speaker 1 (00:03:52):
Like I remember the first time I've ever thought of that thought in my life was like, I was like, go kill yourself. And that thought arose in my head. Like, you know, a couple of minutes after feeling weird. And I was just after I thought that I was just like, Oh my God, I just had a suicidal thought and I free it, just spiraled out of control into a panic attack. And from that moment on for three and a half years, I never regained my center. I never regained my center from that moment on when I was shooting that beautiful for three and a half years, I completely lost my sense of self.

Speaker 1 (00:04:30):
There's no way of understanding what that's like, but imagine I couldn't leave my bedroom, leaving my bedroom and felt like I was going to climb Mount Everest. It was like, I was so scared of talking to another human being. I was, I thought that if I revealed my sickness to anyone truthfully, that I would be institutionalized, it was like, I not only did I, was I dealing with my sickness, but I had to deal with the fact that I knew what everyone else was thinking about me, which led me to hide a lot. Because if people truly knew what I was going through, I felt that I would be put in an institution. And, and, and I was always afraid that I would be put in outside of my will. You know, my first step was a psychiatrist. You know, I went to the psychiatrist, told him a little small window of what I was experiencing.

Speaker 1 (00:05:25):
Cause again, I felt if I told him everything, he would just like, be like, all right, dude, you know, we're sorry, we gotta, we gotta lock you up. You know, I told him a small window and they put me on a bunch of different medications, Zoloft, Latuda, Trazadone three or four others too. And I started taking these pills and I felt something turn off in my brain. I literally felt like, like I felt this numbness creep in like this, just this weird creepy numbness felt like I was a body of floating around. There were no emotions, no love, no care, no tenderness, no compassion, no empathy. Just, I was literally just a body floating around like existing. So there was no desire. Nothing, no sex drive, no nothing, no desire for anything greasy foods and television. That's what I was drawn to. Was there anything in you enjoying that as well?

Speaker 1 (00:06:24):
There was a little bit of comfort in being a victim to the illness. There was a little bit of, Oh, I have bipolar and, and severe depressive disorder. I could just take these pills and, and, and nobody could blame me for the rest of my life and I can just eat this food and I can get fat and I can do whatever the fuck I want and just be lazy as hell. And there was a little bit of like there was a little bit of a release there, like, like, Oh, life could just be this, you know, like there was a little bit, I'm not going to lie. You know, there was a little bit there. What, what part of you was like, no, fuck that Me, every other part of me, the real me was was, was like, fuck, no, it wouldn't have been possible for me to do that. I was, I was a victorious kind of guy, you know, like I won a lot of tournament. I was a world-class Warcraft player before I was a world class jujitsu practitioner and competition and winning was this like, it was like in my blood, you know? So you felt it's felt that I was losing. I felt I was losing. So what did you

Speaker 3 (00:07:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:07:48):
Try ketamine injections, obviously all the psychiatric drugs mushrooms, a lot of mushroom ceremonies. Iowasca colonics, enemas, coffee, enemas, parasite protocols, meditations with positive meditation, guided meditations, yoga, breath, work, fasting, juice, fasting, water, fasting, float tanks. Did the work nothing did. What do you mean? Nothing worked. It didn't help at all. It was like, all of those things I was doing was allowing me to not kill myself. There was no joy. There was no, there was no peace. There was panic, anxiety, depression, and it was just swimming, just swimming enough so that I didn't kill myself through all of those modalities. Some of them would give me 10 minutes of relief. You know, like a float tank. I would generally feel like, okay, for about 10 minutes, you know, before I would spiral out of control again, it's super frustrating after trying all of that, there's this way where like I hated, I hated God.

Speaker 1 (00:09:00):
I straight up hated. I hated God. I couldn't, I didn't believe it was possible to that there was a God or that there was spirituality or that there was, I felt in those days, honestly, that it was my role on this planet to suffer eternally, like as if like Gollum from Lord of the rings, how he's possessed by the ring. I felt that I had a curse on me that I couldn't clear that I was meant to suffer, that I was meant to be tortured. And somehow that was my role. That was who I was. That's Josh Mason. And he just he's here to suffer. And somehow it's bettering the planet with him suffering like this. There were so many times during my journey when I would literally be on the floor, begging, begging for peace, like not the kind of like, victimy like, please help me, God, please.

Speaker 1 (00:10:07):
It was like a full body. Like you mother fucker. I fucking gave you every last drop of fucking energy. Do you see what I'm doing? I spent my whole fucking bank account. I fucking do everything with integrity. I do everything full force. Every meditation, every yoga I bring my whole fucking essence to it. I'm not fucking around. I'm not going through the motions with these practices. I'm fucking doing everything, concentrating on my breath every minute, every second, concentrating on my breath. And I would look up and at the sky and just say, fuck you like, fuck you seriously. [inaudible]

Speaker 1 (00:10:58):
At the end of my story. When I was really close to killing myself, I would swim out in Miami, in Miami. I would swim out to sea when there was no lifeguards as far out as I possibly could until I started really getting exhausted. And my goal was that I would hope a shark would eat me. See, I thought I broke. I thought I broke a lot of times. Like I thought I broke when I would swim out in the ocean. I thought I broke when I would stand up towards the moon. I would always look at the moon. You know, that was like something I can connect to in the sky and just say, what the fuck? You know, I thought I was broken during those events. There was one time when it was actually true. One time when I broke so hard that I couldn't, I didn't even scream. I didn't even, I didn't even, I just said, I literally just said, you won. It's over, you won. I'm going to my I'm going to Africa for Ebola. This is my last chance after this goodbye, I gave it my, I gave it my everything. I didn't even shed a tear because I was done. I was done. There was no more space for tears. I was done.

Speaker 1 (00:12:38):
I somehow I somehow reengaged my my will. I don't know how I did it. I, I I broke down to my family and I told them that they needed to believe in me and I needed help. I needed unconditional help. I had no money left. I had no will left. I was broken. It was like, okay. I accepted that. It was my last chance on earth. And in accepting that it was my last chance on earth. Money became a joke. Money became pixels on a screen. And because of that, I looked at my body and said, what is possibly wrong with my body? Because if, if I can change it for less than $25,000, I'll change it. I looked at every body part, every surgery I ever had, I had stitches here. I had surgery on my hernia and I would look at everything and say, what, what is possibly wrong right now? What, what is infected? What is wrong? And then I looked at my teeth and I would just dream about it. Think about it all day, all day, touch them, look at them in the mirror. Just like, fuck, man, maybe I should get rid of these things before I go to Africa. You know, I really think I should get rid of these things.

Speaker 1 (00:14:18):
Nah, it's expensive. It's a waste of money. Nah, I don't know. I really think I should get rid of these things. Booked an appointment right then and there, you know, without reading anything on the internet, because I had already heard of it before. Somehow somewhere I read mercury is not good. We read them and we ignore them. Totally. It's not affecting me. How much did you see a world champion? Fuck that that's not affecting me. You know, then I got them, take them out, taking them out. It wasn't until I got them taken out. And I remember then I Googled mercury poisoning stories. It was like the first thing that came up, it was the first time I'd ever read any other account to this level of torture and suffering word for word pulled out of my mouth

Speaker 4 (00:15:32):
Recently completed experiments. Now reveal how mercury causes brain neuron degeneration with direct visual evidence from brain neuron tissue cultures. How mercury ions actually alter the cell membrane structure of developing neurons. The neurite membrane underwent rapid degeneration leaving behind the denuded neurofibromas seen here. It interferes with the way the brain works. It interferes with the way motor works. So you end up with some neurological or motor or thought process that gets fried because that's what mercury does. It destroys nerves. What you're seeing is mercury vapor coming off at 25 year old silver amalgam filling in an extracted to the background is a phosphorescent screen. The mercury vapor absorbs the fluorescent light and you can see it as a shadow on the screen. What we've discovered is that every time you do anything to the filling with you, chew on it or brush it or chew gum, or have a hot toddy or whatever, something that he'd set filling up through friction or temperature makes it spew mercury vapor, add levels that, you know, if it was a city, they would evacuated. These are not small amounts of mercury. If you can see it, it's more than 1000 times higher than the environmental protection agency will allow for the air that we breathe. Okay.

Speaker 1 (00:16:57):
I was both sad that I had to give life another chance because I had already checked out and happy that I would maybe maybe found my answer to my life. I read tons of information on the internet and I realized it wasn't just my mercury fillings. It was everywhere, seafood backs and nations and even fluorescent light bulbs. And it wasn't just mercury. I learned that there are heavy metals and chemicals everywhere. Even in the tap water. At this point, I had read enough. I needed to learn how to clean this stuff out of my body. And I wanted to do it fast. I began taking seven, eight, maybe 10 things from my gut, aloe Vera butyric acid, glutamine, tons of bone broth and many other things I felt like for the first time I was feeding myself and not feeding this disease, feeding this curse.

Speaker 1 (00:17:48):
Fuck you mercury. You have no chance. Then I started taking gut binders, things like charcoal, clay zeolite, that became part of my morning concoction. And these acts like a giant vacuum grabbing onto toxicity in the body. They truly are lifesavers. Eventually a couple of months in the life began flowing through me again. I was having a resurrection and I was watching it live in action. I was watching TV and in my normal cycle, this torturous cycle and anxiety and feeling like I was like all in my head and just like, just like static energy all around me.

Speaker 1 (00:18:30):
And all of a sudden I would look, I looked at my hands. I looked at my arms, I felt my heart beating. It was like, I had seen my hands for the first time in four years. Cause when you're in, when you're in a panic, you can't actually see what's right there. There's no presence. There's nothing. It's just, you're invisible. You're, you're lost in the thought. Everything else is invisible. To see my hand again, to feel my heart, my hands, I was just, I was like, Oh my God. I remember literally I remember sitting up like putting the TV on mute and just being like, what happened to me? He's best where you like, where did I fucking go? I would say after like nine months is when I felt like it was like, like I was here again, living on this earth already for a year. I've been better than I've ever been. I believe that my suffering has led to who I am now, which I would never want to give up for a million years. I would, I would do it. I don't know if I would do it all over again, but I'm happy that it happened already. It's done.

Speaker 2 (00:20:26):
Welcome Josh. Good to have you here. Thank you, Logan. Pleasure to be here. So that is quite a story in it. To me, it's a extremely inspiring story. The worst off, I mean, look at our movies, right? You have that dark night of the soul and in, in a movie, you know, it's shortened down to hours, but for you, it was years. Right. And this amazing journey. And I really liked how you said at the end. Like

Speaker 5 (00:20:54):
I wouldn't, I love

Speaker 2 (00:20:57):
The transformation that's occurred, but I wouldn't want to go through it again.

Speaker 5 (00:21:03):
So

Speaker 2 (00:21:03):
A couple of questions on that. Why do you think that happened then? You mentioned like you were laying down rubber or something. Why was that the trigger that suddenly sent you into that?

Speaker 5 (00:21:17):
So, yeah, I was using this beautiful machine at my dad's office in New York where I was basically like gluing together with this rubber substance, two pieces of glass. And I don't know if that had anything to do with it. I think that why did it happen then? That's like one of the best questions I've ever been asked. I have, I have no clue.

Speaker 2 (00:21:43):
There's going to be some toxic chemicals. Is that just like the straw that broke the camels?

Speaker 5 (00:21:47):
Exactly. Yeah. If that was contributing factor, it was, it was the straw that broke the camel's back after years of seafood and other toxins and other things. And also on a spiritual level. Like I believe that our breakdowns happen at, at a particular time where we have all of the resources we need to handle it. We have every, you know, the universe, God gives us these, these breakdowns, the beginning of our metamorphosis at a time where it knows that, that we can handle it. Like I remember five years, six years prior to that moment, I was at university of Maryland and I started experiencing depression. When I first, when I was a freshman at university of Maryland, it was like this huge, scary world. And I remember that the same portals that opened in full when I was 23, they began to open when I was 18. Like the little parts of those dark portals opened up and, you know, I was able to close them, you know? And had they opened up in that w in full at 18, I never would have had the resources or the, the, the inner knowing or anything to, to be able to get through it. Right. So I feel like it happened spiritually at a time and a place in the age where you can handle it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was an esoteric answer though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:23:16):
But it's good. Like just the other week I hurt my back working out, which is an extremely rare thing for me to hurt myself. Just kind of a freak thing, but it was, and it was my low rack and everyone's had low back pain at some point. Right. It's pretty crippling and this wasn't super bad or anything like that, but it was interesting cause it was coming up at this point where like I needed to ease back off work and give myself a break and do a transition thing. So it's like immediately because I've practiced this stuff, right. Gone, went into the reframe, you know, what's this about emotionally, mentally, even

Speaker 5 (00:23:46):
Not just thinking like, Oh crap, you know, I hurt my back and that sort of stance. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:23:54):
So another question of that, it's really interesting. The point you got to where you're like, what's wrong with my body, you were looking around and you end up staring at your teeth and seeing the mercury fillings.

Speaker 5 (00:24:07):
Yeah. could you

Speaker 2 (00:24:09):
Sound on that really? Cause you had done so much, so many things through how I guess looking back, how did that never occur to you before or

Speaker 5 (00:24:17):
Yeah. W why did it occur to you then? You know, it did occur to me in the past. Like I had actually read articles of people being poisoned by mercury of fillings, being bad for you. And the thing is in the, in that moment, the, for this couple year, period of time, when I was drinking Iowasca and working with plant medicines and you know, herbs and deeds and cleaning my colon, doing enemas fasting, I had developed this attitude of like, I like spirit conquers. All right. Like if I, if I developed this attitude of essentially, like, if I say this mercury is not toxic, it's not toxic. Like there's no way that this thing in my teeth could be poisoning me to that degree. Like, this is surely a shamonic initiation. This is surely a bigger than any chemical or substance that's. Cause the level of torture was so intense.

Speaker 5 (00:25:13):
Right. So I had, I had given it some energy and I was like, nah, no way, no way. It's not possible. And furthermore, I had read that removing them is like three, four, five, sometimes six, $7,000. And I was like, well, I don't have that money. Why even go down this path? Why even I there's no way I could possibly get rid of them, even if they were crippling. And that's the interesting thing, right? Because when push came to shove, I found that money, right. Like I just, I put it on a credit card. Right. Once I realized that it was a matter of life or death at the end, and that's the thing about money, right? Like everyone says, I can't afford it. No, actually it's just not a priority. Right. As soon as something becomes a priority where your life is in jeopardy, like nothing matters.

Speaker 5 (00:25:59):
Right. So, so the short answer to that question is, is I had given it a little bit of energy. I had heard about it and read about it. It wasn't until I was at my wit's end, where I was like, this is, this is all that's left that I haven't explored yet. There has to be something here to this mercury substance. And I had heard another woman's story about it. And when I read her story and saw the level of suffering that mercury can can cause I was like, Oh my God, this is, this is what I'm going through. This is what it is. You know, this is one of the answers. Right. Cause it wasn't like I found mercury and then everything changed. There's a lot of other substances to have detox out of my body. And there's a lot of spiritual work and you know, and deep, emotional work that has gone into my becoming whole again. Right. Removing mercury is of like a pivot point. Right? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:26:58):
So that that's like you were to that point, you hit rock bottom. I'm going to kill myself. If this doesn't work, literally like can't be much of a rock bottom going to give this a shot. It worked. And that's where things started to turn around for you. But yeah, I think it's important people. There's still this idea of like one, cause for one disease or there there's always one thing, but it's really just layers and layers and different stuff. And you touched on it there that, that idea, spirit conquers all and think like maybe possibly, if you can be, you know, super duper, hyper spiritual, maybe that that is possible. But you know, we live in a physical reality. So I like to look at health on those, those different aspects. I used to call them levels, but that does connote a, like a hierarchy when really it's just, you know, different perspectives. So like the physical, the mental, the emotional, the energetic, the spiritual. And really, if we're looking at things for here, like that pivot point, there was the mercury that was some physically had to take care of, but there really was all this other stuff too. And it was all layered together.

Speaker 5 (00:28:03):
Oh exactly. Totally. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:28:06):
I'm curious for the people that come to you and work with you, how many of them, how many times have you heard I've tried everything.

Speaker 5 (00:28:14):
I have heard that. So in Logan probably, and those are all of those are always my best clients. Those are my favorite clients to take on the clients who write me a four page email who say, this is all that I've done. You know, transcranial magnetic stimulation, every diet, this diet, this supplement that supplement hyperbaric oxygen STEM cells, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm like great. You know? So, so I would say about, you know, 33% of people that maybe 40% of people that contact me are just serious, serious health warriors. Like people who really have gone down the rabbit hole who have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and still haven't been able to, to move the needle for themselves, you know? Wow. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (00:29:02):
Yeah. That's cause I, I to hear that a lot and it's interesting, like what, no one has tried everything right there, there are so many modalities out there, a lot of stuff. And I can understand getting to that frustration point where nothing seems to work. But I think that is part of the journey, right? Is that no matter what, you keep trying things until you get there.

Speaker 5 (00:29:24):
It's so true. Like you keep on knocking on the doors. You just, you have to have this relentless tenacity inside. If you think, like I remember at several points of my journey where I was like, I've done it all. There's nothing else out there. I've, I've drank the Iowasca. I was about to go do Boga. I did a lot of San Pedro and mushrooms and fasting and water, fasting, juice, fasting, colonics, enemas, like there's no other way to clean this body. There's nothing else to explore. I figured out everything that could possibly be wrong with the human body and the fact that I believed that to be true when I was two or three years into this journey and seeing how far I've come in the past four years, three years since then, I've done hundreds of thousands of new dollars that I've spent on my health to continue and explored.

Speaker 5 (00:30:17):
And now I'm doing around a 40 hyperbaric oxygen treatments in Marine. And it's like, like just, and I've done STEM cells. I've done exosomes. I, I have all of these contractions and electron machine and a juve red light. And it's like, Oh, I really thought that I was at the end. Like I figured it all out. Like I'm broken and unrepairable. Like that's, that's a joke. And if anyone's in that frame, even if you've gone for 20 years, searching, just know that like the, the way out is to keep knocking on doors, you know, to keep like there's other things. What about structural issues, postural issues. And, and there's so many amazing healers on the planet, Logan, and you're one of them, right? There's there's people who, who have mastered little niches and little categories and people who have mastered the whole body and master there's so many geniuses in the world. Right. And for you to like get stuck in that thought pattern cause of your suffering and be like, it's over, I can't find anything else. Like you're closing yourself off to the hundreds of thousands of geniuses out there who have figured something out. Right. Right. So yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:31:28):
Yeah. And another thing that's helpful on that because like you were, you were locked into, Oh, this is a spiritual battle. This is a spiritual thing. Right? So you were looking, Oh, the plant medicines are the fucking eye medicines, whatever this is, that's, what's going to fix it. Right. I think for people that are on this journey, you want to not only keep knocking on doors, but try to strive for very different doors so that you were saying like the structural thing. Okay, let me go to an energy healer, let me go see a psychic, let me talk to a showman. Oh, let's yeah. All these different things. Let me try different diets. The, because our problems, we might be locked into thinking of just one way of thinking and trying a bunch of things there that is far from trying everything. Right. That's just trying the same thing over and over again. And one example would be, you know, conventional medicine that works great for some things. And it really sucks for a lot of other things. Right. So just going to doctor after doctor won't necessarily help many of the issues that doctors aren't great at.

Speaker 5 (00:32:28):
Yes. I'm going to give you an exact example of that Logan I, for years focused on detox, spirituality, meditation, and that, and that was the, the bulk of it. Right. I learned about upper cervical chiropractic where they actually check your Atlas and your access and make sure that it's not out of alignment because when the Atlas or the axis is out of alignment, it compresses the brain STEM and the brain STEM is of course is connected to your whole body. And it's, it's like it's like a circuit breaker when the Atlas is out of alignment. And I was a fighter for, I was a wrestler for five years. And as you just be a fighter for five years, I had been grappling using my neck for 10 years. Right. And I had gotten a lot in a lot of fights on the streets. I had a lot of head injuries.

Speaker 5 (00:33:16):
So I learned about this upper cervical chiropractic and had my upper cervical adjusted many, many times. And it was like, it was like, Oh, like, this is the way the circuitry is supposed to be like, it wasn't all of this spiritual thing of me needing to witness my thoughts more or me needing to detox more mercury, actually just my Atlas needed to be put in back in place. Right. And it's this, this biochemical magnetic system, all of a sudden worked better. Right. So, so yeah. Yeah. That's an example, right. Of just see, seeing finding a magic key that changes everything. Right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:33:57):
So a question, this is leading there, right? You've, you've detoxed, right? You've cleaned up the crap. You've been doing this for years. And of course there are more layers always to be done, but I feel most people only get into health after they've hit some sort of rock bottom may not be rock bottom, but after, you know, the doctor says you have some problem and people start going up against this. Usually it happens when they're older. Most people don't pay attention to health before then. But to me, well, one thing is most people have a health is ill-defined health is to most people being free of, or absence of disease. But really health to me is more about adaptability being able to handle more and more stressors and thriving from that. So, so much of this health, a continual experiment patient of different modalities is to continue to thrive, right? It's not just healing problems that exist. Right. Is that your experience that you're just continuing along this path because I guess there's like enjoyment and you continue to get more out of it.

Speaker 5 (00:34:59):
Absolutely, absolutely. You, this is like a machine that requires constant maintenance. Right. I though the way I've experienced healing and my life is that as I continue to advance, as I continue to ascend in my consciousness gets higher and my physical body feels better and everything gets more solid and grounded. What I've experienced is that, you know, there's this immense I think the right word is dichotomy where it's like the more clear and vibrant you get, the more sensitive you get as well. Right. So there's so much work to do in maintaining the vehicle. When, when, when you put so much energy into your, your vehicle, it becomes like a porch. Right? Right. It becomes like a portion instead of a Honda. And it requires the expensive gasoline and it's so much upkeep and so much energy and time. And like the parts are really expensive when they break.

Speaker 5 (00:35:55):
Right. So, so there's this thing of like being, I, I I've actually become more sensitive. And and so, so again, there's that, there's that challenge there of how do I navigate in a world that's so toxic while my whole life is around detox and clarity and purity. Right. And cleaning. So and now that's exactly where I'm at, where I, I, I love figuring out how to become better, how to, how to reduce inflammation, systemically, how to be feeling good in my body on a regular basis, how to be mentally clear and connected. Right. So yeah, at this point it's become more, a game of upkeep and thriving and ascending as opposed to like I'm broken, fix me. And, and it's just, it's actually more fun. See, once I got out of survival, then it actually became like a game and I became a tinkerer. Like you just like you and alchemists, right. This urban, that urban let's figure out all the different combinations and concoctions are. Right. And that, and that that's fun. That's fun for me. At least,

Speaker 2 (00:37:08):
Especially when, like getting one of those breakthroughs, like at this stage, right. Like a, a 1% improvement, those little fine things. Mostly that's what you get, but there's still those occasional, like, like you had with the structural manipulation they're game changers. Right. If, and if you can hit one, one of those, like every five years, that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (00:37:27):
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2 (00:37:29):
So I, I do want to dive deeper into the topic of detox because it's, it's so important as I've understood health more, over the many years I've been involved in this, I feel this is such a neglected spot. For instance, I, on my coaching program, I have an application there. And one of the things I do is ask people to rate a certain health area on a scale of one to 10, like their movement, their diet supplementation, and I have a detox eliminations and what I've found people answering this as they don't even know what I'm talking about there, but for the most part, they think it's just about poop, which is fine. That's an important aspect, but there there's really so much more in there. And so people don't even have like a frame to really think about detoxing. So can you describe like why detox is so important and in working with your clients, like I know some of the people come to you and the detox isn't as important of an element perhaps where something that may be more of a spiritual journey, whatever else. So, but what do you see

Speaker 5 (00:38:36):
As far? Like how many people does everyone need to support their detox systems? Yeah. Great question. So I've,

Speaker 5 (00:38:49):
I've learned about detox in my personal experience, started with pure and simple colon detox, right? This is where most people start to hear detox and it's like, Oh, like you clean your, you clean your colon, right. Or, or maybe that's might even be a little more advanced. Most people may be like, all right, I'll eat salad for a week. And then that's a detox. Right. And like, that's the extent. And maybe they would put it together that that equals more poop, right. Like to clean the poop in the colon. So that's probably where most people start. Right. Or they go to the store and they buy a detox, supplement that in essence makes you poop. Right. So, so that's again where most people begin. Right. And, and that's where I began. And I learned that, wait a minute, I can drink juice for 12 days and go to the bathroom and have a bowel movement every day, potentially twice a day.

Speaker 5 (00:39:46):
Where's it coming from? That doesn't make any sense. Where is this coming from? And that's when I explore Daniel, read the Tao of health, sex, and longevity, and other colon books, Richard Anderson, dr. Richard Anderson about cleaning the colon cleanse and purify myself. And I learned that most people's colon has five to 10 to even 12 pounds. In some overweight people weigh more of old rotting fecal matter that undigested fecal matter, that is a result of sitting in chairs all day, as a result of overeating, a result of incorrect food, combining a result of not chewing our food thoroughly of stress of even simply sitting on a toilet. You know, we do that wrong. We, the way like this, this is audio only, you won't be able to see me, but you can imagine yourself on a toilet. It actually doesn't align your rectum with your large intestine with your right.

Speaker 5 (00:40:47):
So lifting your feet up or squatting is, is a much better way to, to go to the bathroom. So there's all of these things that we're doing incorrectly that basically lead to clogging of the pipes, right. To put it simply. And I had spent years working on my clog pipes and worked on it very, very diligently. And it, it moved the needle a little bit. I felt more connected to the divine. I was able to access higher spiritual places. I had more energy, but there was another layer, right? So the new layers that I learned about from that point forward, which people rarely explore is things like cleansing and purging the liver and gallbladder of, of stones, of things like removing heavy metals and plastics and chemicals and fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides from the organs and tissues of the body from the blood, like most most substances that we most toxic substances, they actually settle into safe zones like the kidneys and the liver and the brain, and people would say, how is it, why would it go?

Speaker 5 (00:42:05):
Why would your body put mercury in the brain? Because it's way more toxic when it's in the blood, right? It's, it's way more detrimental when it's floating around in the blood. Right? So, so the next tier of detox that I learned about was, again, this, this refined removal of substances from the organs and the tissues and the muscles and the fat, and of course, sweating, right? Sweating is an Avenue of detox that you look at cultures, you know, Finnish Norwegian cultures that use saunas on a regular basis in Iceland. And they have way lower cases of heart disease of cancers, because regular sweating is incredibly effective at boosting the immune system, removing toxicity and keeping up with the flow of, of toxins, into toxins out. So my answer to to, does everybody need detox? I believe that everyone at, I believe that there are some people that can totally handle what's going down on the planet. They're just resilient. I'm the opposite. I'm a Canary in the coal mine. They would be whatever the opposite of the common area in the coal mine is a robust coal miner.

Speaker 5 (00:43:32):
And and, and, and they, you know, I know a friend who is 40 years old and he'd been drinking beer every day of his life every day for the past 20 years. And he does jujitsu every day and he smokes weed and he eats whatever he wants. And he's probably healthier than me never had an issue in his life. Right. And, and how am I going to tell that dude to like, get healthier, right? And even my ex girlfriend who is super, super healthy, you know, she was able to eat whatever she wanted. Right. So I would say the majority of the population, if you are, if you are not thriving, detox is important. Even if you are thriving, what happens is that one hits their body burden point? What this, this bizarre time. Exactly. Yeah. It's a bizarre thing that happens where all of a sudden, in a couple of week, period of time, things just change. You just go from being super, super healthy to like, Whoa, what just happened? Right. It's like, oftentimes I've observed this body burden shift where again, they just, someone shifts into like illness rather quickly. Right. And that's because they've been ignoring all of the micro symptoms right. Up until that point. So as a long answer to your question.

Speaker 2 (00:44:51):
Yeah, no, it's good. I got the kind of the image of, I'd like to try to think in terms of fractals, cause that's how nature works. So there's like the whole organism detox. And we see that simply as like urinating deprecating, right? That's the main things, but sweating in there as well would be a main source. I mean, a important thing about sweating for me is that that's a way that your body removes not just water soluble toxins, but fat soluble toxins, which is really important because otherwise the colon is the other way that that happens. And if stuff is backed up, it's probably not removing much there, but then we can go down zoom in, into the different organ levels. Right. And see that each one of these, there may be some like the kidneys, the liver are more directly involved in the detox, but really literally every organ within the body. And then we can zoom in even further down to the cellular level. You know, what's the ability of the cell, the membrane to be able to absorb the right kind of nutrients, get rid of waste, that sort of material. So I think that's a useful way to think about it. You can start big, but then begin to narrow it down over time.

Speaker 5 (00:45:58):
Yes. Beautiful. And down to the cellular level, what many people in the detox world don't don't realize is that the reason we accumulate toxicity is because is because we're mineral deficient, oftentimes when there's mineral deficiencies, the body will pull in a metal or a toxic substance because it's hungry for something, right. When we're selenium deficient and you consume mercury, the cell will actually pull in mercury instead of selenium, when someone has ample reserves of selenium, they're going to retain less mercury. Right. So

Speaker 2 (00:46:37):
And chlorine, if you don't have the eye that in there

Speaker 5 (00:46:39):
Exactly. Right. Exactly. All of the halogens. Right. so, so on a cellular level, when we detox, we also have to replenish minerals. When I use this word detox in my businesses is called the detox dudes. Right. But the truth is that there's so much more to the game. You have to replenish minerals. You have to constantly be bringing in the good things into your system, as you remove the bad stuff, right. Otherwise it doesn't work. You become stripped and you become devoid of, of, of everything.

Speaker 2 (00:47:12):
I think the, the cycles there's like detoxing then rebuilding or supporting, right. And those, those go together. And again, that's kind of fractal. We can think of just the food and water we consume and that goes out or down to the cellular level, the, the minerals and the toxins that are involved in another important point is the human body produces its own toxins. Right? Like we are detoxing, whether we're supporting it or not, that's something that's necessary for life to function. So it's not a matter of like, is it happening or not, but are we supporting those processes? And it's all about intake and outtake, but it really, to me, like if you narrowed health down, it's about intake and outtake, and this happens on all levels, food coming in, food, going out, minerals, coming in, minerals, going out, you know, spiritual lessons coming in, it's all across the different aspects of it. It's all about that.

Speaker 5 (00:48:08):
Like a function in mathematics, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:48:10):
Yeah, absolutely. So I guess let's, let's narrow it down a little further into detox. What are some of the like most use? I know there's a wide variety of things. Cause we're talking about one chemical, there's going to be something that's best for helping to detox that. But what are some of maybe your top tips or tricks or supplements that work for a lot of people that maybe people aren't aware of? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (00:48:38):
One of my, I would say if we just started with the core, core, core things that everybody should do, number one, changing one's water, right? The water we drink is becomes our blood. It becomes our blood. It's so powerful to change and transform your water. People spend $10,000 to go to a Tony Robbins seminar before they change their water. What, like, I love Tony Robbins, but change your water before you spend 10 grand on Tony Robbins. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (00:49:11):
More foundational than what I've been thinking about that like the basics of the basics of water and breadth. If you, if you don't get those right. Those are really easy to get, right? Yes. But without the right knowledge, it's very hard to get. Right? Yes.

Speaker 5 (00:49:26):
And breadth is not that easy

Speaker 2 (00:49:27):
These days with COVID.

Speaker 5 (00:49:33):
Yeah. So, so so water you know, me and Logan used to live 10 minutes away from each other in Bonny Doon.

Speaker 2 (00:49:44):
Sorry, I don't know if you want, you can edit that out.

Speaker 5 (00:49:50):
But we used to live 10 minutes away from each other and there's a spring there. Okay. The best water on earth to drink. And that's the water I drank every day. All day when I lived there is spring water. What are that comes from an aquifer deep within the earth that can take hundreds of years to come back up to the surface. Sometimes thousands of years to come back up to the surface and it gets filtered through the earth. You're you have minerals, you have life force cheat. And and this water is pure and clean, clear high energy water. That's my favorite water to drink. Right? Distilled water. I also love one can purchase a distiller for like 500 bucks and never have to get water again and never have to pay for water again. You can distill tap water. Well, water is also good in Bonny Doon.

Speaker 5 (00:50:38):
There's a lot of Wells. I lived on a well when I was in Bonny Doon. And so our water is also pretty good. Reverse osmosis, high level filters are good, but the worst water to be drinking is municipal tap water. Right? So most people in the plant on the planet, especially in the United States, which is one of the worst countries in the world for, for, for toxins in water. Why? Well, because we deliberately put it in there, right? So, so we put halogens, we put chlorine in our water to filter it right. And there's pharmaceutical drugs in our water. So we're one of the highest users of pharmaceutical drugs in the world. Pharmaceutical drugs get metabolized when we pee it out, it's very, very, very small particles. And the municipal filters cannot filter this out. Right. So we're left with pharmaceutical drugs. You've done a writeup on this. I believe pharmaceutical drugs in urine. Right. Have what

Speaker 2 (00:51:37):
Gone into it. Yeah. And what an interesting thing, like the in order to have the effects on the body, these drugs are designed to be bio-persistent to be not broken down easily. Right. So they pass through the body and they're going to exist in the environment. Some of them for very, very, very long.

Speaker 5 (00:51:53):
Yes. Yes. And, and so of course, you know, we're, we're, we're left with this, these pharmaceutical drugs in our water. So you're getting a dose of Xanax, a dose of Klonopin, a dose pathic dose homeopathic doses, right. Of these pharmaceutical drugs. So there's also viruses and bacteria and all kinds of stuff in the tap water. So we removed the tap water. We bring in the best two waters, in my opinion, distilled water and the natural spring water. And that is a game changer. Okay. The next step is for someone to drink 16 to 32 ounces of juice every day you buy a $200 juicer and the Omega J eight zero zero six, and you start getting celery and lemon and cucumber and ginger and green, Apple and parsley and making a green juice. Every single day takes seven minutes to make five minutes to clean up.

Speaker 5 (00:52:49):
And I drink 32 ounces of juice every single day. This is going to bring minerals in raw life force in it's going to help with evacuation. It's going to help with cleaning. It's going to help with detoxifying, the liver and the water and the juice you can. If someone has never done these two things, they'll observe massive, massive changes in their life. Right. So those are the two core basic things, right. And of course, breath, right. Breath is instrumental. I mean, it's, we, can't 60, if you know, 120 seconds without breath, we can live many days without water days without food, but all right. So I'm sure you'd have a lot to say about breath and breathing techniques and clean air and all of that. But after that the basic, the next basic level is to do colon detox and colon detox.

Speaker 5 (00:53:45):
I like triphala at night, you're taking these three erratic herbs that help gently detoxify the colon. I like magnesium glycinate and I like Boldo tea and those three are my, the typical things that I use at night to, to gently flush the bowels. Magnesium oxide is another thing to gently flush the bowels the following day. And and then some cool supplements that are really important in my opinion, for most people on the planet are things like iodine. Okay. So global healing center makes an amazing iodine. You can put it directly on the thyroid. You can take it internally. It's very strong stuff. Liposomal, glutathione, glutathione being the master antioxidant. I like sulfur MSM. I really think sulfur is important for the, for the system and also moves the needle for, for many, many people. And I would say that would be a starting point, the water, the juice, the three supplements I recommended and of course, biohacking one sleep.

Speaker 5 (00:55:04):
Right. And I actually don't even like the term biohacking, but just improving one sleep, unplugging the router not sleeping with your cell phone next to your head. You can go as far as me and get one of those canopies that, Oh, you can't see it on the call, but that's a silver canopy that I sleep that blocks out all EMS. Right. and and really just like beginning to get rid of screens using blue light blocking glasses, all of these, these basic things to, to start improving one sleep, because sleep is the magical zone where all the everything happens, right.

Speaker 2 (00:55:43):
Your sleep, your improve, everything.

Speaker 5 (00:55:45):
Here's what I've learned through this process of four years of torture. If you're not sleeping or pooping,

Speaker 2 (00:55:50):
You're screwed. So I wanted to ask about Clay's cause this is one thing I haven't gotten a super clear answer on. So most clays, like zeolite, for instance, have these great reputations for pulling toxins out of the body yet they're made up of aluminum, which is a light metal, and there's definitely problems with aluminum. Yeah. Can you explain this? What's your experience knowledge around this topic? Nope.

Speaker 5 (00:56:19):
So thank you. Cause that would be the very next step after those five things that I about the very next step would essentially be to introduce binders. Binders are negatively charged substances that are sometimes manmade and there's sometimes found in nature. Sometimes they're a combination and what they are is they're like vacuums. They go into the body and they're like a negatively charged vacuums that grab onto positively charged pollutants and allow for evacuation. Right? So you don't digest these substances. They typically just run through you like a vacuum. And there's some life changing binders out there. Clay being one of them, some other binders are like activated charcoal, bamboo, coconut charcoal, bamboo charcoal, citrus pectin from the crustacean the shellfish you can get kudos on, right? Which is another binder. Some silicone products are other binders, zeolites, zeolites, and clays are very similar.

Speaker 5 (00:57:25):
And there are such thing as toxic zeolites and toxic clays where these clays are actually high in lead and aluminum. And and they can be detrimental over the long haul what I've learned. And so I've, I've read some papers and I read some studies and I read some research, but I've also taken clays for literally six years. Right. And, and my levels of aluminum and letter very, very low. So what I've basically gathered through my own experience and through some reading is that of course, one wants to buy the best products. And I I've done my research and found the, you know low led, low aluminum, clays, and zeolites. Biopure being an incredible company by the way. For both of those is that most of the led and aluminum in a binder actually doesn't get absorbed into the body because it's connected to the binder, right?

Speaker 5 (00:58:28):
It's in the binder and your body is not going to take it out of the binder and not going to digest it and metabolize it. So again, it, I always view binders as these, this vacuum that grabs other particles, not quite, not quite getting digested. So if it has tons of led and tons of aluminum, I think it would be a problem over the long haul. But you know, BioPure even puts horsetail in there, zeolites, silica binding to aluminum, right? So that's one way around the problem. Overall, I've experienced binders to be life changing for an and here. So here's another example of, of experience being more valuable than, than research. Right? Right. I've had clients come to me with five, 10 years of full blown, panic attacks, heart palpitations, feeling like they, their, their nerves are like being fried and feeling like their nerves are on fire. They take binders for two weeks and literally symptoms can, can vanish. That's how powerful binders are. That's how powerful metals are when metals are in the gut, breaking through the leaky gut, crossing the blood brain barrier and just causing systemic hell for people. That's how powerful and detrimental mat metals can be for people. Right. does that answer your question, answering mirrors some of my own thoughts, but a little more developed. Thank you for that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
I got notes all over here. Yeah. how does fasting fit in? So yeah, I've done a fair amount of fasting. For me it seems like different. So everything you just talked about right. Different components are going to help detox certain things, certain stuff. I have affinity for one metal versus other things may have affinity for chemicals. And then with fasting, we have juice fast. We have dry fast, we have water fast, all these different types. And I think this goes back to our starting discussion, like all these different modalities, right? So there's all these different detox options. Yeah. I guess my question is where does fascinating fit into this? And any more detail on how one should approach this large topic of detox we gave some of the foundational or early easy steps, but how should have been one expand this over time?

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Sure. Fasting is a, is a technology. It's a beautiful, beautiful technology that I used a lot in my years. Water fasting, juice, fasting. I never have done dry fasting though. I've heard amazing things about it. In my opinion, fasting is a bit of an obsolete technology. So I do think that that intermittent fasting is great. I think that fasting a day, a week to give the digestive system a break is great, but this concept of doing 10, 20, 30, 40 day fast to to heal the body, in my opinion, is obsolete technology. And, and I'll share with you the pros and cons of it. Alright, so let's take an extreme of like 20, 30 day fasts. This is extremely depleting for the body. What the teachings of health and detox 30, 40 years ago, for instance, Daniel read an excellent resource.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
We were way less toxic as a collective back then. If you look at rates of autism, if you look at the nutrients in soil, right? The soil degradation from never allowing land to rest from monocrop farms, where we have one crop across an entire farm stripping minerals, the same minerals come out, the same minerals come out. There's no ecosystem, there's no permaculture. It's all you just devoid it's devoid of life force. It's there was a study, or I don't know if it was a study or some paper I read, I don't know exactly what it was, but basically a carrot today is like one 20th of a carrot 30 years ago in terms of its nutrient content. Right? So, so fasting water fasting is depleting. The body of more electrolytes have more minerals. And it, yes, it causes autolysis autophagy, which is basically where the body cannibalizes, anything that doesn't serve it, but it's dripping the body of minerals of nutrients. I've seen people get worse on fasts though. Of course they really can spiritually connect. Right. through this fasting process connect to,

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I was thinking there like a longer fast is probably most more, a spiritual thing than it helps.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
It is. It's an incredible spiritual experience. And I do think that, you know, everyone should, should give it a shot three, four or five day fast to recognize how much they rely on food and how dumbed down their system is from, you know, from food. But all in all, I've observed that it's obsolete technology because we have so many incredible supplements and so many machines and modalities that can kick toxins out while replenishing the body at the same time and can can just, it fasting is like a pendulum, right? We're, we're living this way of life. And then we fast everything, all of our food is gone. And then when we're done with the fast I've observed this pendulum effect where we like, like a Slingshot where we like come back to like overeating and like, give me more, give me more.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Right. And so overall fasting does serve a purpose, but in my years of doing this, I've, I've learned that it's, it can cause more harm than good. And it's depleting to an already depleted body. We are as a collective depleted of minerals of electrolytes of life force. And I don't think we need more depletion. I think we need building, we need like juices and minerals and, and it's a big, big subject, but the short answer there it was a long answer, but the, the, just try to keep it concise is that it it's good. It has incredible benefits. I've observed other things to be more powerful and complete technologies. And so yeah. As far as the grand picture of detox, this becomes a way of life, right? So taking herbs, sweating, doing the detox, it becomes a way of life instead of just a quick fix or a one week trial. Right. Right. And it becomes a multiyear journey, but it doesn't have to be so much work or so much money. It's, it's just, when you start feeling the results from cleaning this vessel, you'll never want to go back to, to not detoxing again.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
And you can ask me more specific question if you'd like on that subject.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah. No, that's useful. And that's how I think of it too. Thank you for that perspective on fasting. That's fascinating. I'm going to have to reflect on that some more, but yeah, it's the, the building in the, the habits, the routines that help support the detox on just a daily basis where it's not a hassle where you're doing just certain things that, cause as you were saying, things can both be like supporting and building and detoxing at the same time. And ultimately I think that's most of what we need because of the environment we find ourselves in. And then there's a time and a place for a more extreme, if you will detox a longer time period, throwing the bigger guns into the mess. But the more you can style your life to have the gently supporting detox, the less you have a need for that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
But then hopefully also you cultivate awareness along the way so that then you can bring out those bigger guns as needed. I wanted to ask about the testing for, let's say heavy metals. I know there's different forms of testing your hair analysis. I've gotten my hair tested two times. This was a few years ago. And then quite a few years ago, both times I had really high arsenic. Okay. And I never really figured out what that was from. I didn't seem to have any of the symptoms of arsenic poisoning. So yeah, your, your thoughts as to what works and what should I do for my arsenic levels, assuming they actually are sky,

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Do you eat rice?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I do eat rice. Most of it's or Ganek and like comes from the USA versus I know that's a bigger problem with Chinese rice. So I, I don't, I don't eat so much of it that I think that's the issue. But I, I could be wrong. That was one thing that, that maybe that's that, but

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
Yeah. Yeah. So as far as tests there's a lot of different tests. Here's the, what, what I'll first say? Well first say is that I believe a detox should be done no matter what test results come back because of how inaccurate these tests can sometimes be. And it can sometimes test can change from week to week. I've done a lot of different tests and I've observed that, you know, Hey, I don't know how, how perfect this test is right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Better to do the detox of some form. See if you get better than realize

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
Exactly before the experiment, even if it's a few hundred dollars, like I'm not just saying this to conveniently get more clients right. And conveniently like make my business more in demand. Right? The truth of the matter is that I've seen people with no levels of mercury on their tests get and know levels of Luna, other tests get calculation. And I've seen people with mega levels of metals on their, on their tests who are perfectly healthy. So, so, you know, again, the experience,

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
It comes down to that storage in the body versus it being circulating, right? Because everything stays in your brain. Nothing's coming out in the urine or the hair, then it's, it's in the brain and maybe causing the problem there versus maybe you have none in the brain, but it's

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Just circulating precisely. So the tests are urine tests. You're in there's urine test where you just straight up urinate. And those are very, very low level. The best tests are when you take a urine challenge test. So you take a key later, you take this oral key later, which provokes culation, and then you, you Jurnee there's hair tests, which are pretty good. There's also old LIGO scans where they actually check your finger and there's a in inside of your blood and your finger. They can check your levels of minerals and metals. Those are pretty good too. They all have their pros and cons. They, you know, so I encourage everybody to check it out. It's rare to get false highs. It's more way more common to get false lows. Right. and

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Hey, so you're saying testing, isn't accurate. I wonder if that has any applications to do

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Well? It does. Yeah. That's the part two we'll do COVID PCR tests. D does he hear about the president who tested like a jackfruit and a papaya, which came back positive for you? I grew up and then I heard it. He was, he died later, got killed notion. And again, this is all straight forward. So some amazing things to get rid of that arsenic you could take cilantro juice with cilantro juice with wheat grass, you can take EDTA powder and you can even take EDTA in suppository form, which is more effective. My friend Spencer makes EDTA suppositories. His company's called remedy link. I can send you a link if you'd like for that. And those are good. It's very effective for other heavy metals as well. And that would pretty much, if you did that consistently, that would dramatically lower your arsenic levels. And I don't know where else you'd be getting that from. It could be in the, it could have been, it can be in well water. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
We've been here for a while. I did see a connection that crystal Geyser spring, which my family used to buy that arsenic. It was high in arsenic. So I think possibly that, that was it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
Yeah. And they're in Bonnie Doon, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Did they collect from different Springs in California?

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
Yeah. They, and they, they got in trouble for dumping their arsenic. Did you know about that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yeah, that may have been what I was doing is something related to the arsenic. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Let me ask. Is there, does it really depend on like the person and what they made doing, which test they should be getting, or like their most recommended tests that should be applicable to most

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
People, if you're not seriously ill, I recommend the urine challenge test. Okay. That will be the most accurate. Okay. if, if one has serious symptoms, the urine challenge test is very dangerous because they are taking a strong key later for 24 hours. And well sometimes you to take one dose, sometimes you take those spread out through 24 hours and key lading metals will dramatically exacerbate symptoms for a wide range of people. So if you're okay and you're just like experiencing brain fog and this and fatigue and some slight depression, go ahead and do that urine challenge test. If you're in the world, like I was in panic, heart palpitations, serious anxiety, stay away from the urine challenge. Test, do a hair test, do an old LIGO scan. And and check that and check those out first. Yeah. Nice. Quick. Silver makes them a try test for mercury quick silver mercury try test is, would also be good. That's specifically for mercury, which in my opinion, mercury and aluminum are the most sinister metals.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Right. If you can take care of it with the most exposure of what's that, that we have the most exposure of, right?

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
Yeah. But how intensely they affect us. Yeah. So if you want to focus on the most important things, it would be mercury and aluminum. No.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Oh, Joshua. I feel like we could keep going for hours. We could. Yeah. Maybe we'll definitely do this again, but tell people a little bit about your site and your work and people want to follow up with you and get more info.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
Sure. My website is the detox dudes.com and has everything on there. My YouTube channels, the detox dudes, Instagram is at detox dudes. And I offer tons of free information. I have so much stuff on my website. If you are a beginner, you're this part, sparks your interest. Your soul is like listening right now. And you're like, yeah, there's something here. There's something here. Go to my site. I teach you every step of the way for free. And if you want more support, I sell a course a masterclass that I sell a 40 video series. And I also do one on one coaching. I do retreats retreats all over the world. My last retreat was in Hawaii, but I've been all over the world with retreats. And yeah, I'm very, very passionate about this world and of detox and health and biohacking and, and would love to support you in any way I can. Yeah. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Well, thank you so much. I think people will find this useful. There'll be a whole bunch of show notes, the link to the video, because you got to watch Josh's story links to the website, everything over at healthsovereign.com /40. Thanks everyone.