Root Causes of Health and Disease with Steve Young

Logan: 00:18 Hello and welcome. I’m Logan Christopher. I’m here with my good friend, Steve Young. Steve Young is an amazing, amazing person. I think this is saying a lot. If I had a health problem, I would want Steve in my corner. I know a lot of health, but I would consider him as sitting on that board of advisors. And, furthermore, he surrounds himself with other incredible health-thinking people that would sit on his board of advisors as well.

We're going to be talking about some deep subjects. First thing we're going into is the root causes of health and disease.

So much of healthcare is focused on symptoms or, really, just not getting to the root. Yet, if we get to the root, we can actually solve things. So, it's a deep subject and it should get more airplay than it does across many different places. That's what we're diving into at the start of this.

So, welcome, Steve.

Steve: 01:14 Yes. Thank you. I'm excited to discuss this because I feel like there's such a need for everyone to not only understand what's really happening but a need for—and I really use the “need” word, but, in this case, I feel like it's necessary—a need for people to take individual action to really steer this ship a different direction.

Logan: 01:36 Right. So, the whole purpose with Health Sovereignty, I know this is something you've done and kind of looked at, all the big systems and what could be done with them, and really that we need a new system, a new way of looking at health, and so we're very much in alignment with that. And what I saw was, yeah, if we can get people to understand just some of the basic foundations of health, such as trying to find the root cause, then we can begin to get people to break out of the paradigm that really kind of has a stranglehold on people.

Steve: 02:06 Yes, for sure. Yeah, it's interesting. Just yesterday I had a discussion with Richard who founded TED Talks and, just really briefly, healthcare came up and, in a split second, here's a guy, the guy knows a lot. He’s a smart dude, right? And so, immediately he's like, yeah, healthcare can be fixed. Very interesting comment from him that was just very eye-opening.

Yeah, so it’d be very interesting to kind of do a dive into this topic because, like you said, I've looked at it for many years at, How do we, quote-unquote, “fix” healthcare? I shared the same idea with Richard, which is, I don't think it can be, quote-unquote, “fixed.” I feel like people can take their part in sort of shifting it a tiny bit, but I actually don't think it can be fully fixed.

Logan: 02:55 Yeah and this is a conclusion I came to myself in looking at all the different aspects, and the reason it can't be fixed for people not familiar is, basically, there are just too many way-too-strong reinforcing loops kind of institutions that are in place that have no incentive to fix things. Therefore, it can't really be fixed.

What can be done on an individual level is, I term it opting out of the system, right? And we can basically establish a new system or a new way of looking at things because, along with that system that can't be fixed—I mean, part of the problem is just the definition of health.

We don't really have healthcare. We have disease care. It's like we're only going to look at you or do anything once you already have problems, rather than building a strong foundation, so those problems don't even pop up in the first place. And how I look at health, how you look at health is very different than health that most people see as the absence of disease, but that's not a good definition of health.

Steve: 03:52 Yeah, yeah, for sure, we live in a disease management system, right? I would use those exact words carefully because it is about like managing. And, if you think about it, management, what does that mean? It means, well, let's make sure we always oversee it. And so, that's the system we're in because it is the most profitable system for the corporations. Right?

So, when people tell me, Oh, facing healthcare and all that stuff, my question to that person usually is, you own a 401(k). They’re like, Yeah. I was like, well, you're technically contributing to it, right, because you own stocks of the very corporations that now have a fiduciary responsibility that he got more profits and that’s his own and so forth. Right?

Logan: 03:34 Right.

Steve: 03:35 So, I think there are so many things. I will say, before we do a deep dive into root causes and stuff, I recently have come to the conclusion that there is a way to shift it, which is imagine if every listener of this podcast did this when they go to their traditional doctor, because it's kind of hard for most who would just immediately opt-out. Right? I mean, that'd be amazing. Probably not the case.

Logan: 04:55 You need a lot of education to be capable of doing that, and you and I have studied this area for years and years, so we can do that, but, yeah, the average person, it’s if you just opt out into nothing, you're kind of leaving a void.

Steve: 05:07 Yeah, that would not be helpful. And so, what I recommend doing is when the doctor gives you a label, also known as a diagnosis, you simply just immediately ask him or her, What's the root cause of this? And, of course, their answers are going to be, We don't know. If this happens every day for a year, it starts to pull them out of the matrix and they kind of realize, Wait a minute, this system that we operate in that I've been operating potentially for decades does not find root causes. And, therefore, they will go and read the research and figure stuff out.

For you and me, there was no special school we went to that taught us the secrets. Just, basically, the information is out there and the doctors are not seeking that information because they don't know what they don't know. They don't know that they're not finding root causes. Right? Like the way that grass roots’ huge potential to get people to just simply say to their doctor, Hey, what's the root cause?

Logan: 06:05 Yeah. I think one important distinction there is, the difference between root cause and root causes. So, part of the reason medicine is the way it is is the reductionist science, which is really trying to define like, okay, we have one cause and it causes one effect.

So, you have eaten, let's say, too much fatty food, which means your cholesterol is too high and we can manage that by giving you a statin, and that's as simple as this works, linear cause and effect. But, really, with especially lifestyle diseases, I mean, we can say root cause if you have an Ebola infection. I mean, there are probably even related things there, but we can pretty much pinpoint it on one thing there, but high cholesterol or diabetes, there's a whole bunch of different factors that play here.

So, yeah, definitely agree with that question, and I want people to understand root cause versus root causes because when we're talking biology, it's very complex systems and very complex feedback loops, so there generally is not going to be a single root cause to any issue that you have.

Steve: 07:11 Yeah, definitely. That's a great distinction or clarification. Yeah, definitely, the question will be root “causes.” I'm just thinking back to 8,000 patients later, yeah, I don't think there's ever just a root cause, for sure.

And then, it goes deep. A lot of times, when I went to, I mean, really, my doctors in physical therapy, we were under the illusion that we were treating root causes. They’d be like, Hey, yes, I'm with back pain. The root cause is the tight hamstring. Right? But that's really not the root cause because the root cause could be the fact that they behaviorally never stretch, and they sit all day and fight. And so, we were really just ending our search for root cause and causes, and, surely, the static biomechanical reality. There’s no discussion on behavior and emotion and so many other variables.

So, yeah, definitely the true root causes, one, I've found that it's never where the symptoms are—start with that—and it can be so removed and so hidden that it is a little bit more complicated.

Logan: 08:16 Yeah, absolutely. And how the environment plays a role in those behaviors and all that. So, really, is there ever an actual root cause? Because the mind likes to divide and make distinctions between things, but we could always go back more and more steps to what caused certain things.

But I think the key point is you may never get to a root cause necessarily, but if we can find something that's close there, it's at least a key leverage point. Whether this is a physical thing, or a mental or emotional thing, finding the areas where there's leverage that really is more impactful, that is somewhere at the root, not just at the symptom level.

Steve: 08:53 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think the practice of finding root causes because that's not a thing that's taught, it becomes a not-practiced practice. Right? And so, not many people are really efficient at it and it does take a lot.

To give you an idea, I've had cases where, give you a great example, so the patient came in really for hip pain, but I asked her about her health, and she was put on high blood pressure meds and a diabetes medication, and it was around the same time. My answer was, “What happened around that time in your life?”

And so, she shared with me six months prior to that her husband died, though, as soon as you thought about it, she started crying, which tells me, of course, she has not emotionally processed this, and it’s not by accident that she had high blood pressure and diabetes, and all that stuff happened six months after this super-heightened emotional state that she went into.

So, one could say, and, obviously, the doctors didn't ask her this question, but they just put her on medications for the rest of her life. On the surface, you could say the root cause is her husband dying and that emotional stimulus, but not maybe how, when she was young—I didn't go this deep with her—it could be how, when she was young, she felt like she needed a male figure in her life to feel secure and she lost that. Who knows? It could be that deep. And so, that's really fascinating when you start digging into true root, root, root causes, It is a pretty not-practiced thing that no one has really figured a simple system.

Logan: 10:27 Yeah, absolutely. That brings up another thing. Most of medicine is all focused on the physical. There is some amount of mental emotion. I like to divide it. Everyone is going to have different models, but physical level, energetic model, mental/emotional levels and spiritual levels.

And you have a similar sort of distinction as, with physical, definitely, we can go mechanical or chemical, all these different areas, which it's helpful to kind of see these different levels. Most medicine is just focused on that physical level. So, hip pain, let's give you some drug for that or do surgery. You need a hip replacement. Very few people are looking at hip pain could be because my husband died, right?

Understanding that sometimes a physical symptom does have a physical cause we need to address, but many times there is a mental or emotional cause as well, and there could be causes on multiple levels. So, I do feel this is getting away from that reductionism, even just looking on the physical level, but a holistic model looking for root causes across the different levels, I feel that's very important, and, also, a thing not generally looked for.

Steve: 11:40 Yeah. In this subtle but powerful and important distinction, a lot of times people will say, We treat you holistically. We treat your body. We treat your mind. We treat your spirit. And that language pattern, it suggests there are three kinds or three parts of you.

Logan: 11:56 Yep.

Steve: 11:57 I clarify, you can say no. Imagine if you're standing in the middle of the room, and I'm looking at you from the north and someone is looking from south, someone is looking from east and someone is looking at you from the west, and each one of those, it could be a mind, body, spirit or chemical. If you turn, any movement you do, we can all see you. Right? And so, if you move your hand up, the mechanical self, if I'm only looking at you mechanically, I'd be like, Yeah, I can see the top of your hand, and the person from the south can say, I could see the bottom of your hand move.

And so, it's very helpful and necessary to look at the human from different frames. While we use language to make sure we help everyone understand, it’s just looking at you from a different frame. It's not like there are different parts of you. That’s super powerful. It could be like, I have my mind and my body as if something that can happen to the body doesn't affect the mind. Of course, it does. All of you are one system through the lens of the body, through the lens of the mind, through the lens of spiritual.

Logan: 12:58 Yeah, absolutely. That is the difficulty of language, right? I often see the mind, body, spirit. I'll hyphenate those to imply that it is a system that all levels affect all levels, but even saying there are levels is, in a sense, separating these things out, which does make this attributed thing to do so. But even to just recognize those levels in the first place when so many people think, Oh, it's my health and, therefore, it's a physical thing, it's not that simple.

Steve: 13:25 Yeah. I find that helpful to first get that frame established. They’re just different perspectives, and then everything after that, it's okay if we start to use language that suggests “It's just different perspectives.” And, from there, for sure, just literally an hour and a half ago, I was working on someone's thoracic spine. That was a not basic [inaudible], but to go I have not [inaudible] in there.

So, as I'm working on that, because I know from experience this is not just mechanical, I talked about, because her language was like, This is draining me. When I drive it kills me, and so, we had this whole talk on language and how that's doing in our lives. And when I got to talk stuff like her job, keeping in mind up my pressure. I'm not doing anything different mechanically. All of a sudden, she's like, Oh, my God, that pain is much worse. Right? As soon as we talked about her job, boom, paint heightened.

And so, it was helping to establish, yeah, it’s because how we feel, think the meaning that we're assigning to things directly dictates, controls and influences our health, all the way down to that muscle in her back. All, obviously, all related. So, yeah, that connection isn't really even being conceptualized in mainstream medicine and it’s definitely not being put into practice, for sure.

Logan: 14:43 Something just occurred to me when you brought up the thoracic spine. I'm not sure why I made this connection, but I do feel it's important. People are predominantly immobile in the thoracic spine, coming from a training background in mobility, learning how to move this mid-spine and that's right where the heart is. And people are so constricted in this area, more so, I'd say, generally, than any other area of the body. I find that very interesting.

I want to steer this a bit. We've talked about the root causes of health and opened up to me everything that could possibly go wrong, and say there's actually no one single cause and we can keep going back, so we've made it complex. Can we simplify what should people be looking for, as far as root causes? And one of the things I was looking at, I was thinking just in terms of the biochemical, so nutrients coming in and toxins going out, you have inflow and outflow, and very important.

Then, I realized, Oh, this is a reductionist thing, but, oh, it can be expanded. The same inflows and outflows work across the entire system. So, we can talk about negative emotions, like getting stressed from work coming in, is your body properly handling those? So I think there are inflows and outflows, but also a structuralization or a transformation in the body. But, really, this can be looked at on all the different levels we talked about, even though they're not separate levels, and also kind of fractally, we can look down to a cellular level or we can look at a human level.

Steve: 16:14 Yeah, I've thought about this a lot. Absolutely correct. We’ve made the frame of finding root causes very complex, which, from my understanding, it is complex. However, here's the good news—imagine if we have a cup and we want the cup to hold 10 ounces of coffee, water, whatever you want to hold. And, somehow, throughout our lives, people have been poking for ourselves, something has poked holes in the bottom of the cup and the water is dripping. To define who poked it, how they poked it, what they poked it with and how to plug those holes can be very complex. However, if we just pour enough water back in through the top, you will still get 10 ounces, and so pouring water in the cup is pretty simple.

And so, if we use that analogy and apply it to humans if we just accelerate adaptation and healing fast enough, it doesn't matter if you have certain root causes that you haven't been able to find in place. Your body will just adapt that much faster. And so, I feel finding root causes is complex, but unblocking healing is actually much more simply because we have so much data on this.

For example, we know the average American has a few to several hundred industrial chemicals in them, so if we pull that out, you're definitely going to heal faster. Ninety-three percent of the people will have RoundUp in their system. If we pull and get rid of the RoundUp in your body, which affects your gut, which affects your health, it’s much better, which affects so many things downstream, you’re going to heal faster.

We know most people in America aren't sleeping quite as well as they used to, so improving sleep, you're going to heal faster. And we know most people, through their language pattern, it shows they're under so much stress, and so, if we just give them some language and even higher level strategies of frames of reality, so they don't live in linear stress, or some tactical things just working on their breathing to get out of that constant chest breathing, fight-or-flight state, they're going to heal faster.

So, the beauty of it is to enhance adaptation and healing could be a handful of simple things, and just by doing those things, in summary, the adaptation is so well. Pour enough water and we get the 10 ounces back in the cup.

Logan: 18:24 Yeah, this goes back to the definition of health. The one I like is the ability to handle stressors and, if you're healthier, you can better handle stressors. If you're not as healthy, you can handle fewer stressors, and whether these are chemical stressors such as glyphosate or stress from your work, stressors really expand across all these different levels as well.

So, if we can enhance that ability, that is the cool and simplifying part of this. It doesn't really matter if you have X, Y or Z autoimmune condition, diabetes or whatnot. Essentially, the root causes of many of these things do come down to toxicity overload, the inability of the body to process things, and if we can clear that up, as you said, the body has this natural healing capacity that we really don't understand that we cannot mimic with our best machines or anything like that at this time. The body is able to do that. We just need to get out of the way or get things out of the way that stops that process from happening, and many of these chronic lifestyle illnesses, which is the biggest thing today will resolve themselves.

Steve: 19:30 Yeah, that's exactly right. And so, it's a whole different paradigm that we totally scratch disease and labeling people. We just go with how do we just accelerate and enhance your body's ability to adapt? It’s a much more simple model than the whole disease paradigm. You just scratch on that. For sure, if we can just triple, quadruple, even 20 percent increase people's ability to adapt, many of the symptoms go away anyway much faster and [unclear 20:02].

Logan: 20:03 So, reducing toxic load, all the different levels of whether those are big stressors, chemicals, personal care products, or, one that worst thing, water supply, all these different aspects, reducing that. And what are some of the other important elements?

Steve: 20:19 Yeah, healing the gut. For 90 percent of the people, your gut is off, right? And so, a simple thing like, How has your poop been in the last 30 days? has been same time with that--

Logan: 20:27 Poop is a good indicator.

Steve: 20:30 Solid. If it hasn't, then there's something going wrong with your gut, right? And so, you can [inaudible] that. And so, healing of the gut, eat fibrous foods, eat fermented foods. Most people, they may want to do something like chew, minimize the pathogenic bacteria that are currently overgrowing. It could be something like colloidal silver or some oregano oil, standardized carbachols and stuff. A bunch of herbs can do this, and then go into your process of healing the lining, and then go into their process of inoculating with healthy bacteria, sort of in that order ideally.

Just mindfulness practice is huge. I'm a huge fan of you can wiggle your finger a hundred times—I've said this in a lot in videos—or you can just focus on breathwork, five seconds in, five seconds out; inhale through the abdominal. It's one of my favorite things to do when I'm in conferences and meetings, just look at everyone's breathing rate. It's scary.

Most people are chest breathing at about one and a half to two seconds per breath, and there is correlational on that, causational and correlational studies between respiratory rate being inversely related to longevity. The breaths that we take in a minute, the faster you breathe, the less long you live. That’s correlational, not causational, of course. Holding our breath is huge for a few minutes.

Logan: 21:49 Yeah, and I just want to point that out to help kind of drive this home. Think about the breath you're getting in. Is that going deep or is that a shallow breath? Then, that part of that inflow that is part of that healing energy coming in, and then breathing out, what is your exchange of oxygen, carbon dioxide, a bunch of things we can look at, but it's that same frame there.

One thing I definitely want to add, too, is the importance of getting the right things in, so it's not just reducing the toxic load, but getting those right things in. And that is, a mindfulness practice is one element of that, getting into a state that is much more relaxing in the average state people go throughout their days, but the nutrients, all the different micronutrients, vitamins, minerals, which the cool thing about if you're switching towards healthier food, you're generally getting the stuff that you need nutrient-wise, but also detoxing things, so they can have both those affects. It can help with the inflows and outflows because, unfortunately, your body cannot heal if there's, let's say, no selenium around; there's going to be problems that come up from that.

Steve: 22:52 Yeah, it's interesting when it comes, if we want to go a little bit more detailed into nutrients, and one we've ever tested was SpectraCell, which is essentially like a six-month average of your vitamins and minerals.

Logan: 23:04 Right? By looking inside the cells?

Steve: 23:06 Yeah, by looking inside a cell, the T lymphocytes. So, it's just a cell, it’s your immune cell that lives for six months. Everyone we've ever tested has deficiencies, so just our food supply is just not nearly as nutritious as it once was. I mean, I'm a good example. I literally eat average of 15 servings of fruits and vegetables a day, and I still have deficiencies when I test myself. And so, yeah, it's fascinating. I feel, at this point, my usual recommendation is no matter what, and if you can't get testing, take a good daily vitamin.

Logan: 23:39 And good is the key point on that because most of the stuff out there is…

Steve: 23:43 Yeah, order the product and they don’t work, because there are so many brands. My usual recommendation, generally, is a good multivitamin is at least four pills per serving, and if you take less than that, it can't be well-formulated.

Logan: 23:55 Right. Yeah, just the mass of certain nutrients like magnesium that picks up a lot of space, because we need a lot of magnesium and most people are deficient in that. Yeah, definitely, I'm with you on that one.

Steve: 24:05 Yeah and just those simple actions that we just talked about can have and we've seen it have profound effects on people's labels, right, they're [inaudible].

Logan: 24:16 Yeah. I want to say this just for people that may not be used to this frame of thinking—for various reasons, people have certain different symptoms. Why do these toxicities and nutrient deficiencies arise as cancer in one person, and just chronic pain in another person? Diabetes over here, even though it may be the same causes, and this is for a variety of reasons like genetic differences. I'm not huge on genes, but genes certainly do play a role. All kinds of other things, and recognizing that mental or emotional trauma corresponds to certain areas of the body.

So, yeah, the problem you had as a kid could manifest that into one of these things, which is something some people are looking into, but it's not very well-understood as well. This is a key point to understand that all these root causes, just the basics of health and healing, just manifests differently based on a variety of factors.

Steve: 25:13 Yeah, we could do a whole nother podcast on that. There's all kinds of research now on, we'll call it, heightened emotional experiences as a child, turning on specific genes epigenetically that has [inaudible] affects. I just look at it as those are different holes in the bottom of the cup. We were just talking about, in the last 10 minutes, just how to pour more water in, [unclear 25:34] all the holes in the bottom.

Logan: 25:36 Yeah. All right, I want to say this is fun to think about, too. I was talking about this inflow and outflow thing, and transformation, even down to a genetic level, because we know with epigenetics, things are turned on and off, although we may not be changing the genes themselves unless you have a mutation because of radioactivity or whatnot. The epigenetics is those on/off switches, which is the same format of what we're talking about. So, I thought that was really cool to see.

Steve: 26:02 Yeah, it's very interesting. Back when I was in high school and even in college, I guess, nature versus nurture, right? Is it involving these genes? Is that dictating our health or is it nature? Now we know nature affects nurture, right? In other words, the environment in our--

Logan: 26:16 Cause a loop.

Steve: 26:18 It’s clear. It actually is now able to switch on and off the genes in any way. So, in a way, if you look at it, it's mostly nature, right, with our thoughts, emotions, foods, environment, all that stuff?

Logan: 26:30 Right. Okay, I want to switch gears right now, and we can definitely come back to this topic. But one I really dived into, what is the future of healthcare, the future of medicine? Where are we going with this stuff? Because we've established the healthcare system is broken. It's not going to be fixed. Although there may be some leverage points in different things that can be done within that, there's going to be something new, quite different coming in the future. What does that look like?

Steve: 26:59 Sure. Yeah, we definitely talk about that. So, within the system, there's all kinds of technology that is going to make the current system better. Those would be genetic editing. There were going to be, I mean, depending on how much future you want to go when you apply it, nanorobots in our body killing cancer cells for us, to a new class of drugs that actually treat aging versus a very specific label. These are all things that are being worked on.

So, I call all of those things within the system to make the system more effective. It's still essentially things that are managing disease better, right? There's a whole nother paradigm, which is something I feel I'm working on, which is, How do we bypass the system? How do we have people heal so well that most of the time unless some type of trauma is happening to the body that you never really even go into this system?

And so, this would be getting people to take on some of the behaviors and actions that we talked about. It's changing their work environment, so it's actually promoting health versus illness and disease because of the inactivity. It’s having at the workplace, instead of just a wellness program, actually having things that accelerate healing in the workplace. You are having the behavior in place. The environment is pro-health, and then, there's, we'll call it, technology to speed up healing. If those things were in place, most people would not need to ever go into the system.

Logan: 28:31 Right. Okay. A lot of things there, and I want to explore this topic. So much of health, what I recognize is our technology is kind of leading us astray in many ways, and I'm reminded of the Einstein quote—you can't solve a problem with the same level of thinking that created it.

I'm curious, with the first part you were talking about there, within the same system, just having better and better technologies, is that really going to solve the problems, in your opinion?

Steve: 29:00 No. Essentially, to put it very bluntly, they will be yet more profitable ways to manage the disease. They will advance science and also a more profitable way to manage disease. A great example of this is the first case when they used CRISPR genetic editing to resolve a cancer. How they justified the cost, which I believe was $470,000 for the treatment, they said the cancer, chemo and all that stuff typically would have cost 600,000, so we're charging $470,000 for this treatment. That's, again--

Logan: 29:36 Either way, it’s way too expensive.

Steve: 29:39 Right. Obviously, not the masses can go and get a $470,000-treatment. And so, I am not a fan, which is why I start off with how I feel Richard was so quick and it can't be fixed. There's a lot of truth to that. It’s because these advancements are basically breaking Einstein's rule. They're still in the same paradigm making the paradigm better.

Logan: 30:03 If you think you have a shaky foundation in the first place, just based off what we now know is some false assumptions, then it doesn't matter where you kind of go with these things, because they can't be real or truthful, or really can't get to the causes, if you’ve never even been looking at causes in the first place.

Steve: 30:20 Yeah. And I feel, whatever is the opposite of the things—actually another thing that Richard said just came to my mind. He’s a smart guy—if you're really good at black, you might want to consider practicing white. It’s that duality, right?

So, if you think about it, if we become essentially very good at disease management, the opposite of that is disease prevention, right, healing? I feel this is where the goal is. How do we get that much better at healing, focus on healing adaptation, so we never get to the other end of the spectrum, which is disease?

Logan: 30:55 Yeah. And, also, especially CRISPR, genetic engineering, we do not understand the thing, the GMO mosquitoes that they released recently that were supposed to self-terminate, and they did not do so. It's like, Oh, we got it wrong. And what are the ramifications of doing such a thing?

You can look at some of the genetic engineering where I forget the exact details, but they tweaked some sort of genes or the DNA for a pig for some sort of reason and it grew an extra vertebrae. We do not understand this stuff we're playing with and that scares me.

Steve: 31:28 Yes, there will be all kinds of those effects for a while.

Logan: 31:34 Yeah.

That's going to be a wrap for this episode. It’s me here, Logan Christopher, along with Dr. Steve Young, talking about the root causes of health and disease.

Next week, we'll be back with Steve, to discuss the future of medicine. How do you take all this crazy stuff about the cause? And where are we going in the future with our technology and how that relates to health? Very exciting episode, so stay tuned.

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